Discussion for 2007 CBAs, Part 1

Posted: January 1, 2007 by John Klein in discussion
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You can ask questions, or leave comments, critiques, and/or concerns in this area. Please leave the Nomination category pages free of chatter, so it’s easier for the CBAward operators to set up the first voting round after January 11, 2008.

Note: This post is getting long on the comments, so please comment in the second part. Thanks

Comments
  1. saskboy says:

    We’ve had our first question/concern. The start time of the eligibility period is being contested, so we’ll review, and decide if we’ll adjust it into November of 2006, when some posts were not eligible for the 2006 version of the CBAs either.

  2. Berlynn says:

    I have a concern. There’s no Best Feminist Blog.

  3. saskboy says:

    Thank you for the suggestion Berlynn, the operators are voting on it this morning. We’re also considering adding “Education blogs”

  4. SUZANNE says:

    I don’t think it should be “best feminist blog”. If there’s a woman’s blog category, it should be “best women’s blog”. Why should progressives be overrepresented? Except for the progressive/conservative blog, none of the blogs are ideologically determined.

    And FYI, if you go to the Opinions Canada membership rules page, you will get a long list of English and French political blogs in Canada:

    http://pages.ca.inter.net/~sfortin/Opinions/MembershipRules.html

    Hope that helps.

  5. saskboy says:

    To gather more information only:
    Would it be acceptable to have feminist blogs, and GBLT blogs, and any other blogs talking about gender issues under one category called Gender Issues?

    I can see Suzanne’s point too, that if a feminist’s blog is dedicated to changing the political system, would it then be already eligible under the “progressive” category, “non-partisan” category, or “best political” category. Even the best “conservative”.

    Perhaps feminists would feel their blogs would qualify for “family” or “culture” if they aren’t politically based?

  6. SUZANNE says:

    Now gender issues blog…can I nominate a men’s rights activist blog?

  7. Deanna says:

    I came to ask for a feminist blog as well. I’d be willing to settle for gender issues, and if Suzanne wanted to nominate a men’s rights activist, she would be welcome to.

    Neither family nor culture feel right – I’d rather them be lumped into “political” than that.

  8. Deanna says:

    BTW, I am decidedly against a “women’s blog” category. To me, that implies that women are unable or unwelcome to compete in other categories. (Regardless of whether that was the intent.)

  9. Minor quibble, considering the large number of categories, etc, but count me in on the “New Blogs deadline should be moved back” side – the suggestion that my blog isn’t “new” because I started writing it in mid-November is a little off.

    I know, you’ve got to set the deadline SOMEwhere… but in order to win the “New Blog” category last time, someone would have to have noticed, nominated, and voted for me in the first 2 weeks of my blog’s existence.

    Come on, it’s the only one I’ve got a shot at… 🙂

  10. James Bow says:

    I like Culture where it is, lumped in with Entertainment. That way, blogs that deal with festivals, artistic works, writers, movie and book reviewers, et cetera get represented. That’s not really political. Declaration of interest here: I’ve been nominated in Cultural before, due to my television reviews.

    Family, in my opinion, covers somebody’s blog about their family, baby pictures and the like. Maybe that could be lumped in with Personal, but it’s not political.

  11. Prole says:

    I would like to second Berlynn’s request for a feminist category.

  12. Tim says:

    I am not in favour of political correctness insinuating itself into every nook and cranny. Forget ‘feminist’ or ‘feminism’ categories and every other ‘ism’ for that matter or else balance it with a corresponding category in ‘masculinism’.

  13. Sharktooth says:

    You definitely do need something in your category selections to represent the masculine/feminine viewpoints.

    How about Best Harridan Blog, and Best Grumpy Old Fart Blog?

    It would certainly make my choices much easier.

  14. Vek says:

    If you’re going to add a category that includes a partisan viewpoint, it’s only appropriate to have it clumped with other partisan views that vary regarding that viewpoint.

  15. JJ says:

    I Third the request for Best Feminist Blog. Thanks in advance for correcting this glaring omission.;)

  16. saskboy says:

    OK, there are obviously some people passionate both FOR and AGAINST including a Best Feminist category.

    My overriding thought when considering another category is “would a blogger nominated for this new category not fit into another one already”. I already see a gender issues category, so it’s no skin off my nose to suggest we just modify that category to also be for people who write primarily from the feminist perspective on gender issues. Thoughts anyone?

  17. JJ says:

    Saskboy, why would anyone be “against” a category? That’s stupid. But anyway…

    There are several blogs I can think of that would also fit in other categories, but would be most appropriately identified as “feminist”. A blog that focuses on womens’ issues may be progressive, but lumping it in with all the more broad-based progressive blogs puts it at an unfair disadvantage.

    My 2 pesos

  18. JJ says:

    P.S. By “that’s stupid” I meant *being against a category* is stupid. Sorry.

  19. Ken says:

    A feminist blog category would be regressive. Surely we see and hear enough of their rants on the internet and in the media every day.

  20. matttbastard says:

    I don’t think it should be “best feminist blog”. If there’s a woman’s blog category, it should be “best women’s blog

    Nice try, but not all feminists are women (n0r necessarily ‘progressive’). We come in all shapes, sizes, colours, ideologies, etc etc etc.

    http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/28/feminism-is-not-your-expectation/

    Add this POC male to the list of people requesting a Best Feminist Blog category.

  21. James Bow says:

    A gender and sexuality issues blog category would seem to be the best compromise, in my opinion.

  22. saskboy says:

    I agree James. Since we already have a gender and sexuality issues category (minus straight women), it would make sense to me to modify that one to include feminist writers too.

    Those “against” such a specific category then have nothing to complain about, the Operators have no additional work in preparing the voting system, and those in favour have their category.

  23. matttbastard says:

    Er, so what about straight male feminist writers?

    Also, doesn’t that shortchange LGBT bloggers by denying recognition for them largely because it’s less work (and hassle) for you?

  24. saskboy says:

    Matt, your two answers:
    I meant the topic, not the writers, sorry.

    Not really.

  25. SUZANNE says:

    If you have a feminist category, then I suggest an anti-feminist category.

    Why would anyone be against a category, as JJ asks? Hm…Lumping anti-feminists with the general population would be an unfair disadvantage.

  26. James Bow says:

    doesn’t that shortchange LGBT bloggers by denying recognition for them largely because it’s less work (and hassle) for you?

    Well, then I suggest the following accommodation:

    Am I right in assuming that we’ll continue with the traditional two-stage process of one round to vote on all nominees, and a second round to vote on a short list of five?

    Then I suggest that, instead of a shortlist of just five, we have a short list of a *minimum* of five, but one that increases to some percentage of the first round nominees, in case the category attracts more than its fair share of nominees. Possibly 10-25%, to a maximum of, say, ten?

    I’ll just throw that idea out there.

  27. SUZANNE says:

    I see there is a “sexual/gender” issues blog.

    If anti-feminists are eligible for this category, I consider that satisfactory.

  28. James Bow says:

    On another issue, may I make a suggestion about the design of this web page?

    It would make my browsing here a little easier if someone can post a “Recent Comments” widget somewhere on the template to show who the latest nominees are. It would save me having to flip from post to post.

  29. JJ says:

    SUZANNE, I couldn’t agree more. Blogs that focus on anti-feminism should most definitely have a separate category.

    But first things first: get out there and turn anti-feminism into a popular movement, make 40 years worth of anti-feminist accomplishments, and yer in, baby!

    Commenter Ken above also makes a good point:
    “Surely we see and hear enough of their rants on the internet and in the media every day.”
    All the more reason for a separate Feminist Blog category — the Kens can ignore it and not be subjected to feminist rants.

  30. saskboy says:

    “there is a “sexual/gender” issues blog.”
    The Operators agreed on the weekend that this was the best solution to the request for a Best Feminist Blog category.

    “If anti-feminists are eligible for this category…”

    I’d suppose by definition, they would be, since people with blogs hostile to womens rights are a gender issue. I’d find it rather disappointing that someone would take the time to crash someone else’s party like that. What skin off your nose is it if there’s a category with bloggers in it that you want nothing to do with? If you don’t want to read them, don’t click the link…

    Isn’t it enough that women and GLBT people endure “anti” throughout the year? You want to run anti-blogs against them in competition? That’s pretty vindictive in my personal opinion.

  31. saskboy says:

    “Then I suggest that, instead of a shortlist of just five, we have a short list of a *minimum* of five, but one that increases to some percentage of the first round nominees, in case the category attracts more than its fair share of nominees. Possibly 10-25%, to a maximum of, say, ten?”

    Seems like a good idea. However, since we can (most likely) make the standings from the first round of voting known, even having a second round with just the top 5 is a lot of voting on a lot of blogs. The Weblog awards went with one round of voting, and Operator-selected finalists, so their top 10 was really more limiting than our current design of everyone votes on everyone, then everyone votes on the top 5 of each category.

    25% of 40 is 10, and 5 is .1*50.

    Thoughts from the public on James’ idea?

  32. saskboy says:

    “if someone can post a “Recent Comments” widget somewhere on the template”

    Great idea! Done. It’s on the sidebar under the pages and categories.

    People familiar with WordPress will also know about the Comments Feed.

  33. Dianne Wood says:

    I would also like to see an anti-feminist category as suggested above as that is where my blog would fit in.

  34. JJ says:

    Note to Dianne: That’s not what you said here, But anyway!

    Why is there such an issue with a best feminist blog category? I truly don’t get it. The people who don’t like it can just ignore it, can’t they?

  35. pale says:

    a feminist category, and an anti women errrr anti feminist category. Why not? Makes if far easier for me to ignore them too.

  36. matttbastard says:

    Saskboy, if you don’t grasp the difference between a blog dedicated to issues relating to the LGBT (sorry “GBLT”) community and those that deal with feminist issus, then there’s really no point in continuing the discussion.

    Go ahead, shaft the rainbow contingent in the interest of ‘consensus’.

    Regardless I too have no problem with establishing an anti-Feminist category. In fact, I’d also love to have categories for Best Racist Blog, Best Fetus Fetishist Pro-Life Blog, Best Pants-Pissing Islamophobe, etc etc etc.

    Hey, why don’t we just consolidate the preceding suggestions under one overarching category: Best Hate Site–out of consideration to the organizers and their already overwhelming work load, of course.

  37. SUZANNE says:

    Best Hate Site

    I would nominate a few “progressive” blogs for that category.

    If you want this to be an awards site only for progressives, buzz off. This blogs award is for all bloggers.

  38. saskboy says:

    “if you don’t grasp the difference between a blog dedicated to issues relating to the LGBT (sorry “GBLT”) community and those that deal with feminist issus, then there’s really no point in continuing the discussion.”

    I grasp the differences. Do you grasp the similarities? There is no shafting going on, the category is now flexible enough to accommodate a more wide range of bloggers who write predominantly about gender/sexual issues like living as a Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered person, or the (still) marginalized female gender.

  39. Berlynn says:

    Good grief! Saskboy, please move to Alberta.

  40. saskboy says:

    Good grief Berlynn, you got the category you requested and you’re unhappy? Please explain why?

  41. Ken says:

    JJ-“All the more reason for a separate Feminist Blog category — the Kens can ignore it and not be subjected to feminist rants.”

    Consider yourself ignored. Now maybe we can get on with some intelligent dialogue.
    A separate anti-feminist category would only seem fair.

  42. saskboy says:

    Ken, if you’re serious (and I hope you’re not) you’ll have to convince me and the other Operators that there are enough Canadian blogs out there, who write 50% or more about being “anti-feminists”, to justify an “awards” for them.

    As I said before, any blogs claiming to be “anti-feminist” simply to counter other pro-gender rights activists’ blogs, are acting in a vindictive and petty way. I’d even consider resigning from my efforts here if the Operators approve such a spiteful and pointless category.

  43. Berlynn says:

    Sorry, Saskboy, but after reading through all the shite, I was more than a little frustrated! Where did you say there was a feminist blog category? I didn’t see it.

    Might a realistic solution be to introduce a best feminist blog in each of the categories? That would at least represent the multitude of levels on which feminists blog. And yes, there is such a thing as a conservative feminist.

  44. saskboy says:

    “introduce a best feminist blog in each of the categories?”

    It’s a solution, but one that adds sufficient complexity to the operation of the awards, that I’m not willing to implement it. Perhaps one of the other Operators is willing to consider that request. I’m trying not to run this awards like a dictatorship, but when it comes down to it, my time and effort is most likely to be the one at stake for implementing whatever the rules are. If no one else steps up for a task, I’ll have to do it.

    https://cdnba.wordpress.com/nominate/best-sexualgender-gblt-issues-blog/
    All blogs that write about GBLT issues, and feminist/women’s issues are eligible for this category.

    Feminist bloggers now have an explicit category (on the standard CBA condition that 50% + of the posts pertain to the subject in a significant way). Don’t think less of it because it’s included with other blogs devoted to different genders and sexualities. Also, having an explicit category does not exclude GLBT and/or Feminist bloggers from competing in other perspectives/subjects they write from/about.

    Regarding your withdrawl request,
    https://cdnba.wordpress.com/nominate/best-sexualgender-gblt-issues-blog/#comment-268
    I can honour that right now, or give you time to consider leaving it to whomever judges eligibility for the category, if your blog fits or not?

  45. Berlynn says:

    I stand by my withdrawal and will call on all feminists and pro-feminists to do likewise.

  46. Northern BC Dipper says:

    Well, to be a little snarky here, well, sorry we tried to compromise between many demands and adjust the categories.

    Most blog award administrators would probably say “that’s it” and not touch their pre-determined categories in the first place.

    Not everybody is going to be happy with the category structure. Sorry, but that is reality.

  47. saskboy says:

    “I stand by my withdrawal”
    OK.

    ” and will call on all feminists and pro-feminists to do likewise.”
    What’s the good in doing that? Perhaps we can talk more about further compromise?

  48. matttbastard says:

    Well, that’s mighty white of you, NBCD. Have a cookie.

    On behalf of my team, I respectfully request that bastard.logic’s nomination be withdrawn from the Best Group Blog category. We don’t wish to be associated with this endeavour any longer and second Berlynn’s suggestion that all feminists and pro-feminists do so as well.

  49. saskboy says:

    Matt, please hold that request, at least until we have some more time to talk about this. I’m willing to remain flexible on categories until Friday.

    NBCD can I talk with you over email for a minute…

  50. matttbastard says:

    Fair enough. Friday it is.

  51. Prole says:

    How about a “Most Persecuted by Feminists” category to balance out “Feminist”?

    Seriously, if there’s no “Feminist” category, A Creative Revolution will join the grrlcott and withdraw, with apologies to the people who nominated us.

  52. JJ says:

    I’ll reserve until Friday.

    To see why there’s a need for the category, just look at the nominees in gender issues, and compare, say, “slap upside the head” to “politics n poetry”. Both excellent blogs but they speak to totally different issues. Plus, people get one vote per category (I think?), which will mean choosing between a feminist blog and a GLBT blog. I’d like to vote for blogs in both categories. JMO.

  53. saskboy says:

    I’m going to make another proposal for accommodation, after I hear some feedback from my co-Operators. Thanks for everyone’s patience. You’re welcome to add more on this subject now, or you can wait until you hear my next proposal.

  54. Scott Tribe says:

    I want to ask our feminist friends on here whether Robert had any such specific category for feminist blogs when he held these awards, and if he didn’t, why no outrage or venting of your spleen at him?

  55. Northern BC Dipper says:

    Well, I remember that feminist blogs under previous CBA’s were under the “Culture” category.

  56. Scott Tribe says:

    Ok, I’ve answered my own question: Robert didn’t have said category. I’ll leave to others to explain whether the outrage over him not having that was the same as here.

    That said, I’ll propose a bargain – a compromise to both sides on this issue, as well as the operators.

    Have a “Best Woman’s Issues” blog. That could incorporate both the feminist blogs as well as those who write from the other side of the spectrum.

  57. Scott, you have not yet seen me vent my spleen. Believe me, you do not want to. And, as I stated in the BnR thread, it was an honest question coming from one who is relatively new to the blogosphere.

    So, how about, instead of whining about feminists making demands on you poor, white men and as a result, forcing your feminist friends to do the work of educating you on the issue of feminism, you take on the work yourself of learning about feminism yourself so that we can prevent an all-out venting of spleens in the future?

    I stand by my original decision to pull my nomination and call for feminists and pro-feminists to do likewise.

  58. Scott Tribe says:

    (er.. Have a category called”Best Woman’s Issues” and issue said award for it. Sorry..I wasn’t as clear there as I should have been.)

  59. I see we ross-posted. I think I have already addressed what you suggest, Scott. It would mean having a Best Feminist Blog in each of the categories. You see, feminists don’t bring analysis forward in just one or two areas. Feminist analysis impacts all areas because feminists are human beings working on a multitude of issues.

    Women’s rights are human rights. Google it.

  60. saskboy says:

    “I stand by my original decision to pull my nomination and call for feminists and pro-feminists to do likewise.”

    Again, isn’t that a tad premature considering we’re still talking, and have until Friday before things will be set (for what we’ve intended as for good this year)?

  61. saskboy says:

    I mentioned already that we’re not having a feminist sub-award in each category. How could that even technically work? Look, we’re trying to be accommodating, but you can’t suggest things not even you know how to implement.

  62. Scott Tribe says:

    With all due respect, Saskboy, I believe the “Woman’s Issues” proposed category would fit more towards what Berlynn and the others are talking about – if they are willing to accept said proposed compromise of course.

    I merely put it forth as someone who has nothing to do with these CBA’s and would like to see them run with no silly boycotts, as we have had the past couple of years.

  63. Scott Tribe says:

    Berlynn:

    Feminist blogs and what they discuss would fall under the category of “woman’s issues”, would it not? As would what your counterparts who talk about abortion on the opposite side of the spectrum.

  64. Scott Tribe says:

    ( I don’t agree with a feminist sub-award in each category either, by the way)

  65. Feminists blog in every category.

    I am not in a snit, but you are quickly pushing me into one because your close-mindedness really irks me and I am tired and I have just learned that Bush is backing down on the Bali agreement and I have already wasted enough time on this foolishness and I would like, already for you boys to actually *get* this. But so long as you are unwilling to be open-minded, it is as though I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall.

    I am very happy, in fact, that these awards are being revealed for what they really are. Meaningless.

  66. Northern BC Dipper says:

    Well, first of all, I must say that I really don’t like working when I’m having a gun (or a grrlcott/boycott) pointed at my head. I mean, we are volunteers here, spending time and money trying to organize a fun event for the Canadian Blogosphere.

    That being said, let’s try to get some sort of solution here. How about we create a Best Gender Equality blog. I hope that would be flexible enough to satisfy both sides of the spectrum.

  67. saskboy says:

    I am striving for a “boycott and grrlcott” free awards, fun for anyone, categories where any blogger would feel represented even if they knew they wouldn’t take first place due to heavy competition. I’m trying to be accommodating. I know I can’t please everyone, but with the threat of a boycott over the naming of a category, I see my optimism in having a nearly controversy free competition was misplaced.

    Berlynn: “Feminist analysis impacts all areas because feminists are human beings working on a multitude of issues.
    Women’s rights are human rights. Google it.”

    That seems to me like an argument to not withdraw from the awards, but rather to run in as many eligible categories as possible. Would you rather see feminists win Best Sci/Tech Blog, Best New Blog, and Best Blog, etc., or convince the majority of your blogging friends to boycott and leave a giant hole where feminists would otherwise be?

    “I am very happy, in fact, that these awards are being revealed for what they really are. Meaningless.”

    Well no kidding. Of course winning is relatively meaningless. This is just an orgy of blog navel gazing. But it’s supposed to be fun for those participating, so if you’re not going to enjoy yourself, I understand why you no longer want your name left nominated.

    I’m more than a little taken aback that you feel the absence of an explicitly, and exclusively “Feminist Blog” category, is enough to advocate for a complete boycott of the CBAs.

  68. Prole says:

    Yanno, this whole thing…a simple request or two for a ‘feminist’ blog category, then SUZANNE!

  69. Prole says:

    Sorry..as I was saying. She and others immediately jump in shrieking about how there should be an anti-feminist or pro-man or what-have-you, just to be contrary, is it any wonder that the feminists here are a wee bit defensive? I think it’s obvious that SUZANNE! hates feminsts, and Ken, whoever the hell that guy is, does too. ONE category so that we can honour our feminist bloggers does not tilt the whole of the blogging awards to be a gross overrepresentation of Progressives. Yeah, I’m defensive.

  70. Scott Tribe says:

    Well, it appears neither the operators of the CBA site nor the feminist blogs like my compromise proposal , so I’ll leave the blogwars to you folks.

    I did my best, but I’m not going to lose sleep over this.

  71. saskboy says:

    Scott, give things some time for everyone to read them and catch up, please. Let’s all get a night’s sleep and maybe a new day will give new perspective.

  72. fixchildrensaid says:

    WOW! I see a couple of things here, painted very black-and-white.

    Black: The feminists are throwing around ultimatums like they’re going out of style, whereas…

    White: All others are trying to reach a compromise.

    Rational people recognize that ultimatums are very dangerous weapons. The irrational people (almost always the same ones MAKING the ultimatums) don’t seem to realize that, when one has presented another party with an ultimatum, it usually blows up in their face.

    Let the “feminist” people withdraw from the competition. They’ll quickly (actually maybe not, given their general predisposition) learn that compromise would serve them much better in the future.

  73. pale says:

    Actually, as a few have pointed out in a couple threads. I think there would have been no problem. It was a valid suggestion.

    Except to the one who is so personally threatened by feminism.

    I think this was all fairly simple to resolve.
    A feminism and an anti feminism/anti equality category. Done.
    It was the waffling and hemming and hawing that has made this kerfuffle that much worse. Then equating Feminism with GLBT issues, (not to degrade either one, they are both equal yet separate) and then calling for the Wimmin’s! (GWB accent on that one) issues category. Where I suppose all the nominated blogs were where Wimmin! discuss their tampons, and the best flour to bake cakes. How demeaning.

    Revisionist history and misplaced sanctimoniousness are not helpful.
    Canada is many things. Feminists and Gay people have a voice. If these “awards” are to also include progressive blogs, then them’s the breaks eh?

  74. saskboy, if you boys would do your homework and come to understand the importance of recognizing the work that feminists do to make this world a better place, you would not be suggesting these insulting compromises. Neither would you be taken aback or have this additional work on your hands. If you had done your work ages ago you would have thought of a Best Feminist Blog category on your own.

    And Prole is correct in saying that I asked only for a Best Feminist Blog category. You took the ball from there and reacted not to my request but to the reaction to the request.

    If you reread the thread, you will see that early on you misrepresented the request for a Best Feminist Blog when you said, “OK, there are obviously some people passionate both FOR and AGAINST including a Best Feminist category.” In fact, there was a distinct lack of passion from feminists until you tried to quell the extreme, radical right.

    It was you who brought forth my withdrawal by lumping my blog, which addresses nuclear issues, in with LGBT bloggers. I could not live with that. And I could live with it even less if I won. You forced me into taking an ethical stand. And I will not back down.

    Three waves of feminism have not backed down from dismissal by white men of privilege. This fourth wave will not either.

  75. Northern BC Dipper says:

    Berlynn, could you please aid us in coming up with an acceptable compromise that works for everybody?

    It’s obvious that the “Best Sexual/Gender Issues Blog” compromise did not work. And “Best Feminist Blog” cannot be done, as it is unacceptable to some.

    I’ve suggested creating a “Best Gender Equality Blog” category, but I haven’t heard if that is acceptable. So if you have a different compromise, please tell us.

  76. Erinmore says:

    If there is a blog for feminist issues, why isnt there a blog for masculinity issues? Possibly that there is no such thing?

    The closest I have come to seeing a blog about men and the 49% of the population they represent is at:
    http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/

    Feminists jump up and down about “male dominance” but there is a truth about ” equality” that does not get represented in media. I am so sick of men being blamed and bashed for all the illness of the world, when there is more at stake, more to factor into the equation about the state the world is in.

    Please, someone please give us an example of non- stereo-typical masculinity in a blog? Something that actually shows male species in a good light?

  77. Dianne Wood says:

    I think the problem may be what is the definition of feminism. I consider myself a feminist, because I have fought for the rights of women in many areas. I also have fought for the right to life of the unborn woman, and that is where we probably differ most. Maybe we should instead call it the most “feminine” blog award. That would be more inclusive. Being feminine is part of the definition of being a feminist.

  78. VEG says:

    I agree that in the interests of equality that if they’re going to assign a category for feminists, there must be one for non-feminists also.

  79. matttbastard says:

    And “Best Feminist Blog” cannot be done, as it is unacceptable to some.

    Feminists jump up and down about “male dominance” but there is a truth about ” equality” that does not get represented in media. I am so sick of men being blamed and bashed for all the illness of the world, when there is more at stake, more to factor into the equation about the state the world is in.

    Maybe we should instead call it the most “feminine” blog award. That would be more inclusive. Being feminine is part of the definition of being a feminist.

    This thread has been time-displaced from the Suffragist era. Scandalous women who actually want the vote?! PREPOSTEROUS!

    *rolls eyes*

    So, because some knuckle-dragging misogynists stuck in the 19th century in tandem with rabid pro-life absolutists who seem hell-bent on confirming the worst stereotypes about the baby-lobby are acting like knuckle-dragging misogynists stuck the 19th century and rabid pro-life absolutists who seem hell-bent on confirming the worst stereotypes about the baby-lobby, the organizers are refusing to use the word “feminist”.

    Apparently there’s a new ‘F’ word that you never say, m’kay.

    You know, if NBCD is speaking on behalf of the organization (and not out of a cavernous nether region where his cranium apparently resides) we (as in the bastard.logic crew) might not wait until Friday. I’ve been speaking with some of my cobloggers, and they (being nasty, man-hating, baby-eating F-worders and all) really don’t appreciate being associated with a regressive endeavour as this is turning out to be.

    White liberals and Right Wing reactionaries team up to roll back the Progressive Era. I want another category: “Biggest Farce of 2007”.

  80. Northern BC Dipper says:

    matttbastard,

    I don’t think that continually insulting me and the rest of the people working on this project is going to work in coming up with a compromise to this problem.

    Just a feeling.

  81. Northern BC Dipper says:

    What the heck is a non/anti-feminist? The core principle of the feminist movement, as I understand it, states that women and men should be equal.

    So what would an anti-feminist category mean? People who think that women shouldn’t vote or partake in civic life? I can’t think what else it can mean.

    Of course, the term “equal” is where the real debate is. How does one improve equality? By simply educating people? By creating quota laws? By giving Women resources to catch up? The debate in how to make people equal is basically the difference between left and right.

    It has been on the trend on some portions of the right lately to label as “the feminists” as those groups who believe in one method in improve equality (aka the ones they generally disagree with). So I can see where they are coming from (not that I personally agree).

    So basically, as I see it, we need a name for a category that states that states “that women and men should be equal” that works for everybody.

    But if the rest of the operators agree on a “Anti-feminist” category, I’m outta here.

  82. DVD says:

    Thinking that all feminists stand for equality is simplistic and naive. In fact there are Equality / Egalitarian Feminists – the ones who do want Equality and then there are the more vocal Gender Feminists who are as bad as Male bigots. They feel superior to men and want MORE than equality. The attitudes and ingrained institutionalizing of Gender feminism is why the Family Law courts in the Western World are so tragically biased against men.

    Giving feminists in general (and more likely the dominant Gender feminists) a separate category further legitimizes and instititutionalizes the ideals of inequality that is the hallmark of Gender feminists.

    Either do not have a separate category or else you also need an additional separate category for Mens issues.

  83. arthurdecco says:

    Scott,

    After reading through all this hostile, ego-driven drivel written by one prissy snit after another, I have to offer you my condolences. In my opinion, you’ve picked up a cross too burdensome to bear if you’ve agreed to deal civilly with so many fragile egos and aggressive, half-baked thinkers.

    Let ’em walk. In the grand scheme of things, who’s gonna care a whit whether the twits go or stay?

    (Shakespeare would have had a field day with this bunch, doncha think? Heh heh …rolls eyes…)

  84. Scott Tribe says:

    Well Arthur, as I said, I am in no way shape or form involved in the running of the CBA’s, nor the making of its categories. I was merely throwing out an idea for both sides to compromise, but apparently that’s a bad word in some people’s vocab on here.

    The above controversy illustrates exactly why I didn’t want to get involved in this noble adventure.

  85. SUZANNE says:

    I am ready to compromise on a Gender/Sexuality category, or a women’s category. I would actually prefer not to have such a category.

    My main objection is that there is an ideologically determined category. If you have one ideological category, you have to have them for all. It’s obvious that that can’t be the case. There are too many such categories.

    And if Berlynn gets her way for writing about uranium mining from a feminist perspective, then I demand to be able to be included in a the “best Religious Blog” category, as I blog strictly from a Catholic perspective.

    They didn’t seem too unhappy last year about not having a feminist category.

  86. None says:

    I’m disappointed that there is a discussion about having feminist awards when there are awards that fit this category anyways.

    Just to show you how venomous these feminists are, here is a quote from breadnrose:

    skdadl
    member

    Joined: 25 May 2006
    Posts: 16224
    Location: halfway up the hill
    Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject:

    ——————————————————————————–

    But c’mon, you guys: everybody knows that straight white males are the only people who don’t have sexual/gender issues.

    The rest of us do, but they don’t. So we just have to know our place, right? And that’s our place.

    That’s how the cookie crumbles, eh?

    It seems that feminism doesn’t exactly mean equality, it means racism and hatred towards men as this person shows. Feminism doesn’t mean equality anymore, it means shouting down men, and marginalizing them by colour. An Anti-feminist award should be in place if you’re doing a feminist award, it would be only fair and balanced. Anti-feminism has nothing to do with equality. Feminists do not represent all women, they represent some.

  87. None says:

    Before I’m done, one post on here by another feminist Berlynn:

    Berlynn // December 17, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    Good grief! Saskboy, please move to Alberta.

    Pretty racist post here. Not often you see a person being racist against people from a province, but she’s done it.

    And here’s one from PoliticsnPoetry:

    December 17, 2007 at 9:58 pm

    Feminists blog in every category.

    I am not in a snit, but you are quickly pushing me into one because your close-mindedness really irks me and I am tired and I have just learned that Bush is backing down on the Bali agreement and I have already wasted enough time on this foolishness and I would like, already for you boys to actually *get* this. But so long as you are unwilling to be open-minded, it is as though I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall.

    I am very happy, in fact, that these awards are being revealed for what they really are. Meaningless.

    When they don’t get their way, they state that the awards are meaningless. Hmm, if they’re so meaningless, why are they trying to control it with their requests?

    Oh here’s another one from the same poster:

    Three waves of feminism have not backed down from dismissal by white men of privilege. This fourth wave will not either.

    More racism and hatred. Its no wonder ordinary people can’t stand the feminism that permeates our society. Its gone past equality into hatred and racism.

  88. matttbastard says:

    As I’ve said several times, I have NO problem having an Anti-Feminist award being established in tandem. Better to have such things out in the open for all to see, much like the nerve that’s been exposed here.

    I am ready to compromise on a Gender/Sexuality category, or a women’s category. I would actually prefer not to have such a category.

    “Gender/Sexuality” and “women’s category” != Feminist.

    Gee, I guess that means that I’m not willing to compromise. Us uppity types shore are demanding, eh? Half a loaf, etc.

  89. None says:

    Oh here’s another racist post from Matt:

    White liberals and Right Wing reactionaries team up to roll back the Progressive Era. I want another category: “Biggest Farce of 2007″.

    No wonder people are rejecting their suggestion for a feminist category, it’s filled with anti-men, racist posts.

  90. matttbastard says:

    See? There are many Canadian blogs dedicated to anti-feminism. They deserve their due as well.
    😉

  91. SUZANNE says:

    Gee, I guess that means that I’m not willing to compromise. Us uppity types shore are demanding, eh? Half a loaf, etc.

    It sucks playing the victim, huh?

  92. None says:

    Like I said, its too bad that a few spoil it for the rest by pushing their ideology on everyone and then expect everyone to cowtow. Thank God for democracy.

  93. arthurdecco says:

    A pox on all your houses!

    Isn’t there anything that you Mighty Typing Warriors could consider more important than this ridiculous, self-generated, tempest-in-a-teacup controversy you’re engaging in here? My gawd, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much evidence of tangled, sweaty, self-absorption in one place before!

    Geez! Borrow a life, already. Or go get a job.

  94. running says:

    My opinion is that feminism is a term of confusion. In its birth it was considered empiracal to the transformation of women’s equality, now, it bares the blame for the inequlaity of men and a division of socitey, or in this case a division of comprimize.

    I say drop em both. Be cavalier and conventional, unit the two genders under a common award, denying the ability of others to see who can piss or squirt milk the farthest.

    Can anyone else see how unification is comprimised by simply even talking about feminism.

  95. None says:

    Oh and one more thing, what does President Bush have to do with the Blog awards? Really strange how these feminists work him into every conversation.

  96. matttbastard says:

    With all due respect, the unanimous consensus of the bastard.logic crew is that we’re out, regardless of what happens. Please remove us from the “Best Group Blog” category at your earliest convenience.

    Thank you.

    (You may now continue with your regularly scheduled “good time”.😉 )

  97. None says:

    Want some cheese with your whine?

  98. Northern BC Dipper says:

    See yuh

  99. Although I have discussed gender issues before, I would never call myself a “gender issues blogger”. I would, however, call myself a “feminist” blogger. I know of very few people who do not consider themsleves “feminists”. The disagreement is over how to best help the feminist cause.

    So would I count in a feminist category? Would Scott Tribe? Would Smalldeadanimals?

    It seems to me that “gender issues” is the only fair way to do this. That way, you keep out the “feminists” who don’t focus on gender issues on their blogs.

  100. Scott Tribe says:

    Um.. not to stir up the pot, Matt, but if other people nominate your particular blog, I don’t really see why the operators here should remove your blog (or anyone else’s who have issues) from the nominated category.

    You might refuse to acknowledge or accept the honour of winning, but that shouldn’t stop people from nominating you to have their choice kept on here.

    That happens at the Oscars or the Grammys – so I don’t see why the little ole’ CBA’s couldn’t have the same thing happen here.

    I say to the operators, let the current nominations stand. If these folks who’ve decided on this silly boycott or girlcott or whatever ‘cot they’re calling it don’t want the award or refuse it if they happen to win.. that’s their prerogative.

    But, don’t punish the rest of us who happen to like the blogs we’ve read and taken the time to nominate them.

  101. Northern BC Dipper says:

    I think what we will do is that we won’t go around deleting nominations for those people who don’t want to participate, but we won’t put the nomination into the actual vote.

    Sounds like the simplest way to handle it to me.

  102. Having demanded to be removed in the past, I do think people have the right to refuse to participate. Otherwise, they could be accused of “losing” when they have asked readers to not vote for them.

    I’d also like to add that in undergrad I took a course called “gender issues in the law” which was all about feminism and taught by a lesbian. The word “gender” is the proper academic term for what many of the “feminists” on this list are talking about.

  103. running says:

    Can’t seem to find the award implying Mens issues anywhere.

    I’m assuming the following category excludes mens issues because of the pronounced eligibility:

    :…Best Sexual/Gender Issues Blog
    All blogs that write about GBLT issues, and feminist/women’s issues are eligible for this category…”

    For par, mens issues have been routinely excluded from mainstream recognition.

    SASKBOY, I have a new category:

    Best Masquerading Award Blog

    Nomination:

    https://cdnba.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/2007talk/#comments

  104. saskboy says:

    “running”, most people who talk about “men’s issues” due so in juxtaposition to feminism or women’s issues. If you want to run in the category to be vindictive (or possibly because there is no better fitting category) you’re welcome to submit a nomination.

    I don’t envy the person who will be judging eligibility for the cited category, after the scene caused by a few people here. In fact, I suspect I’ll have trouble finding someone willing to publicly admit that they are judging for it. I may even have trouble getting someone uninvolved to do it!

    The Operators are discussing various possible solutions to make the greatest number of people happy, the Operators included.

  105. DaniGirl says:

    Sigh. As a feminist with a blog who happened to be in on the ground floor for some of these discussions and who spoke out against an explicit “Feminist Blog” category, I just wanted to say that while I think this whole debate is rather tiresome and unproductive, the idea of an “anti-feminist” category borders on the ridiculous. We were trying to be inclusive, and simply to recognize bloggers who are good at what they do.

    I also support Northern BC Dipper’s suggestion about what to do if someone wants to refuse their nomination.

  106. None says:

    Why is an Anti-feminist category ridiculous? Why can’t you recognize those people who oppose the feminist agenda, whether it be male or female? I think the whole idea of having a feminist category ridiculous as they already fit into other categories. I call hidden agenda here.

  107. saskboy says:

    I think we’ve already explained why an “anti-feminist” category is ridiculous, and out of the question. It’s vindictive, and none of the Operators will support it. If you want an explicitly “anti-feminist award” make your own Awards. We can do a link exchange.

  108. running says:

    “most people who talk about “men’s issues” due so in juxtaposition to feminism or women’s issues.”

    On the contrary, mens issues differ dramatically from the issues of women. Its not confined to such a simple spectrum. Although, not only men are interested in mens issues, there are feminists and women(young and old) who also are interested in the issue concerning a male persepctive. Real Women of Canada and ifeminists are two examples.

    If it was so closely associated then why not gender neutrality instead of gender specifics. To most the omittion implies exclusion. Feminist issues and mens issues are like comparring apples to… ummmm… tree bark.

    Many terms associate with feminism, feminist being the most generic, radical and gender feminists being the most damaging.

    Most mens rights advocate for equally in law and in society. Most professed feminists advocate for the status quo or a higher bias at the expence of a mans fundamental right to true equality.

    Opening a mens rights category or being truly explanitive in the exisiting category is not displaying vindictiveness, on the contrary, its fully describing the category, anything else may bee seen as exclusive.

    “DaniGirl” thanks for posting your unproductive response in a thread you find unproductive, anything else productive you want to add to this tiresome thread.

  109. saskboy says:

    “Although, not only men are interested in mens issues, there are feminists and women(young and old) who also are interested in the issue concerning a male persepctive. Real Women of Canada and ifeminists”

    OK, so your two examples of groups interested in “men’s issues not tied to feminism” include a group with “women” in the title, and another with “feminists” in the name? I don’t think I even have to bother consulting with my co-Operators to say, “Your appeal for an explicitly anti-feminist or men’s issues category is DENIED.”

  110. Northern BC Dipper says:

    This post is getting long on the comments, so I’ve created a second page. The comments can continue there.